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Deal with it. Please no. I think it is the first creak in this tournament having a future. Wonder what the real reason the Scottish teams have pulled out, my guess is costs. Their domestic league is even worse than ours! That's the stated reason. Why must we disbelieve them? Let's beat Cardiff in the eliminator and enjoy the competition.

Nightmare XV Just remember if we don't beat Cardiff we will have a large chunk of Oct, Nov and Dec where we will not be playing meaningful games. Looks like that was a step too far for the Scottish teams and I am surprised that none of the premiership teams have complained as there will be 8 Welsh premiership not playing meaningful rugby during that period.

The Pudding Congratulations, Gareth, on a fine professional career. You were always an exciting player to watch and a dedicated and loyal clubman too. Hope you go on to achieve as much success coaching as you did playing. Graham Seconded, lovely guy, great player. It's still mind blowing to me that he only played a few minutes of international rugby. A disgrace did not play more for Wales,.

What a talent, class winger but could play successfully anywhere across the backline at the highest level. Robbed of more international caps because of his loyalty to Ponty back in the day. Its been a total joy to see him at Ponty over the years. Diolch Gareth Wyatt. Thanks Gareth. Great player and a gentleman to boot with pace, guile, footballing ability and great anticipation. I wish you every success now in coaching Pontypridd and however far coaching takes you - you deserve it.

I am grateful that you decided to return to Ponty to finish your career. Diolch yn fawr iawn COTP. Am I right in thinking he is the 3rd highest try scorer in the club's history. A guy of Gareth's quality should have earned more than two caps for Wales. Thanks for the memories Gareth, your try up in Saracens in the Parker Pen quarters will live long in my memory.

Neal Hammond Yes, that was certainly one for the good memory bank. Another was the double kick ahead against Wasps at Sardis, even though we eventually lost. Richard Evans Thanks Gaggsy, as if I don't feel old enough already!!! Yet another player I've seen player from youth days to first team and now the end of playing career But all the best in the new role, and thanks for all the memories of a wonderful career on the pitch with the exception of the tries scored for Newport against Ponty!!!

Ponty fan in Aber A friend of mine who is a Newport fan was telling me Gareth is highly regarded at Newport. Shows the quality of the man, being highly respected at the two clubs he played for. This at time when many clubs at all levels and for varied reasons, are struggling financially. Sounds like cutting out everything from your food budget, living on bread and water; minimum heating and walk everywhere; just to pay off your mortgage early.

Where's the sense in that? Would you not pay your mortgage off only when you have increased your income, or had a windfall like winning the lottery. WRU don't seem to have increased the income through good management. Neither have they had a significant windfall gain.

Chief Exec, has however been lauded for paying extra off the mortgage, and had a bonus for doing so. It's not as if he's done anything wonderful. He's just taken money which shouid have been invested in Welsh rugby, and used it to pay the mortgage. Me , I wouldn't fancy just bread and water to live on. I might over time be a starvation diet. I might die, or become weak and disabled. This is the English edition of the RPaper I'm quoting from. Also contains a wonderfull action shot of the scrum doctor dealing with South Africans.

Moffett is sure stirring things up big time. Expect a vigorous reply from the motormouths on the other side! Great theatre! With Adam leaving we will definitely need Gary as cover. I know we have Garyn but he is still a tad inexperienced. Here's hoping the club can persuade Gary to sign because the rest of the squad looks great and hopefully we can all look forward to another successful season. Pontyboyo I agree keeping Gary is a must as he is an excellent player. However Gary was unavailable during periods of last season dude to his work commitments.

Maybe he is waiting to see if he will be available before committing to a new contract? Let's hope he is available and decides to stay on. Sean I agree we need Gary, he was impressive every time he played last season, but sadly his work commitments limited availability. Hoppy Well done London Welsh. Poor Mr Hollie crap at the Ospreys crapper at Bristol. Robert Adonis Well done indeed!!!

Haven't got Sky but heard it was an enthralling contest. Roll on August :o. Absolutely brilliant result. Well done to Justin and the Exiles Triumph of heart over cash. Again shows what a great team we have ourselves, could be playing in the English Championship. Neil S Shows where Pontypridd could get to if they joined that structure. Really gutted for Sean Holley Robert Adonis Poor Sean. He he.

The ill informed disrespect he showed the Principality Prem' earlier in the season on Scrum V based on one result may now come back to haunt him next season :o. Neal Hammond Really looking forward to pre-season now. Good for London Welsh! I don't buy into this that they won with heart over cash.

They received a parachute payment for coming down last year and people like Tom May would be on a fair amount of money. Also if you look at the Bristol squad this year there is no one of note in there. Yes they have spent cash but that is for next season where they gambled on being in the Premiership. Be nice to welcome a top flight club to Sardis for pre season.

I for one hope Welsh can stay up. They got promoted. We beat them. We won our play off. We stay in the Premiership. Where's the justice in that? Neal Hammond I don't believe in a regional system. But even if I did, we don't have a genuine regional system. How many times do we need to draw attention to this fact?

Therein lies the reason of why the system is rotten, and why Ponty is continually short-changed. That is my opinion, anyway. Sean What a stupid move for Matthew Morgan now, breaks into the Welsh squad but will be playing 2nd tier English rugby. Peter Thomas wants to rescue him for the Blues. Could have done it sooner if he really wanted to?

Only because he's been called up by Wales are they interested. Like myself and a lot of others say, it's all very well slapping players on the back and wishing them well when they 'step up' to the Blues but will it really and honestly progress their career?

Humberstone could end up being 3rd choice 10, Dico will be 4th choice 2nd row. For what it's worth this us just my opinion and I honestly dint mean to be harsh or cause arguments but I'm had Adam has gone to the Blues if it means we keep Walsh.

If Adam has gone there as a fullback who makes these decisions at the regions? On that plastic pitch Walsh could be a star!! The year-old utility back, who can play centre or full-back, has signed a long-term deal at the region. Good luck Adam! Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm What about his club Ponty!!!!! Neil S Overdue in my opinion. I hope he goes on to fulfill his potential. Snoop Fair play he's been a fantastic player for us and the Wales 7s. Pob lwc Adam Thomas. And even more important we keep hold of Geriant Walsh.

Richard Evans The very best of luck to "Timmy" Totally deserves his chance at the higher level. Neal Hammond I agree with all the above comments. But I am very sorry to see him go. Same her - inevitable I think and also overdue. He didn't play much for us last Season though so it may not be such a blow, but I think we need to recruit in the centre. Good luck Timmy, always been great watching you play for the mighty Pont!

Mogsy Not as much of a loss as some are making out, he's away with the 7's for most of the year and when he is available, he's injured. I honestly can't see where he will fit in down there to be honest. Personally I think he would be better off going to the Dragons, at least he might get some game time with them.

Pontydragon The old double edged sword, again. All the best to Timmy! Way I see it I can see the name change in a few years. H griffiths Be careful, Pd you will be castigated, the status-. Good luck to Adam, but if Walsh stays,he will not be missed greatly due to his 7's absence Agree with the sentiments could have gone to abetter environment.

Robert Adonis Just a tad too much negativity there - me thinks? The club has had its two best seasons ever results wise - back to back and I fully agree with some of the comments below Neil, Hoppy, etc.. My main worry is the uncertainty surrounding the BIC going forward, both in the longevity of the competition itself we haven't heard what impact this 3rd tier Euro comp' will have on it yet?

Some commitment going forward here would certainly help our medium term planning as a club!! But otherwise I agree with your post. Mogsy I don't know what everyone is worried about anyway. Trouble is guys we whinge when players dont get opportunity then we whinge when players do. The environment at the Blues should be changing under new management and it is evident to me they are trying to change some values there. Having said that it is still Cardiff and that wont change until they change themselves.

My fear for Ponty is that now Adam has moved up he will relinquish his 7s spot which I think could well be taken by Geriant Walsh. Neal Hammond Good thinking. Let's hope Smith and the other young players maintain their rate of progress. Blotto Best wishes tiny. Long overdue. Happy for players to progress and if the blues are not using them loan them back ala dico and humbers. Hoppy Got to agree there Blotto. Well Done Adam.

All your hard work over the years paying off. I thought the use of Dico and Humbers at the end of last season was right. This ebb 'n' flow of players should be extended and affiliated players MUST attend weekly training sessions for the clubs, not just turn up on Saturday afternoon and play the game.

Now where was I Agree Hoppy The ebb and flow as shown by Dico and Humbers has been a success in the last few months and if that continues that is fine. Just look what happened with people like Waters, Cory Hill, Downesy and Darren Harris just to name a few who went to other Regions in the last couple of years.

Lost to Ponty totally. Ponty fan in Aber All the best to Adam. Has been a great servant for Ponty over the last 7 years. Just hope as said above we can keep Geraint Walsh. My only worry as Neil S said is that he now will replace Adam in the Wales 7's set up. Sean Good luck Adam, you were a great asset to the club and i hope you get loaned back to us when not needed by the Blues. Daiponty1 so the result of this game surely is the clearest indicator for the WRU with regard to the lack of strength in depth of welsh rugby - effectively the first team put 50 points on the second team - and its not as if the first's are world beaters!

H griffiths I do not know if I am speaking a foreign language but I never have or ever would endorse Moffet, in any shape or form unless he was getting on a plane to go back to where he came from, and I would kick start the plane. I don't like Lewis and Pickering but don't want to see Moffett get power either despite a few of his policies being quite good. If Moffett gets power the Premiership and rugby at our level will go even further down the pan.

We all know things need changing but if I was asked now on the spot who to back, unfortunately I would probably go for Lewis. I am not stupid that Gravy Train must be lucrative for the likes of Moffo to want to get back on. What are Lewis and CO, doing for the ordinary Clubs, and fans, during his tenure, and Pickerings, how many people have left, the W.

Iam obviously interested at what happens at Ponty's level, but what happens to the game as a whole? How trustworthy are they?! Even if Moffett gets power the status quo at the top with the favoured four teams will NOT change whatever he promises, they've got too much power over the domestic game in Wales. If Moffett does get power the only thing that will change is the Premiership, it will become more pointless and irrelevant.

Moffett has said it will become a development league. Moffett is one of the major factors Welsh domestic rugby is in it's current state, why should we back him again?! After the demise of the Warriors out club was on the verge of going into oblivion! It took years of hard work from many dedicated people to get it back to where we are currently on and off the field! Moffett nearly killed us.

Why should we trust him? Why should we put faith in him? Have you read his comments about us on twitter? He hates us HG!! Simple as that. He's already kicked us down, perhaps he'll finish the job this time. The game is dying on its feet under the stewardship of this current regime. I agree things need changing but we need to look after ourselves, if Moffett gets power someone give me the hammer and I'll knock the final nail in our coffin. Sam We have to stay on the union's side.

They have given us a small increase in funding for next season, and it sounds as if we can stay in the British Cup which is great. Moffet wants the big salary and to make his 5th region in North Wales. He really wants more control for the regions over community clubs. None of his manifesto can be trusted though, history shows he makes quick, rash decisions as he sees fit.

Neil S Moffets manifesto is a political document rather than a way forward, it means nothing. I see no change under Moffet except he wants to jump in bed further with his baby the regions. That for me is bad for Pontypridd and rugby as a whole in Wales. To be honest it makes one want to pull the plug on the whole rotten stinking system. You think there's no interest in Welsh domestic rugby outside the top 4? If Moffett gets in that will only get worse! Neal Hammond H, if you are implying that Ponty is complicit in the 'whole rotten stinking system' I think that you are going way over the top.

We all know our current government are sub-standard and the opposition aren't much better but just because they couldn't organise a bun fight in a Mr. IMO The system is indeed poor and I don't pretend to have the answers. I don't believe Messrs Lewis, Pickering and Moffett have either, albeit they will think they have.

Professional Rugby is based on finance, and other Countries have more than we do. We have Paul Thorburn bemoaning the success of Toulon in Europe because of their multi- national team of superstars, but that is professional sport.

I too bemoan the Toulon situation, but Gatland's Law regarding players having to play in Wales to play for Wales will not work for us. I don't like the system either, but as I say I don't have the answers. What I do have is a tremendous team to support week in week out playing great Rugby with huge atmospheres and a relationship between fans and players second to none. And that is to be found on my own doorstep at Sardis Road So as long as I have that I will let the Professional Actors running the game to sort out the rest.

Neal Hammond But I'm afraid those running our game may make things worse before they get better. We'd better keep on their backs. Neil S We are not on their backs, we are submissive to their whims. Dai bach. Most odd??!!! H griffiths Forgot to add how on earth did all of those Carmarthen players get picked, it is a FARCE, Saw them home and away, average side in my view, I thought Keys had a good number 6.

Godfrey was virtually ever present for us this season and his form never never dipped below brilliant. Neil S In a hypothetical game Pontypridd would beat that dream team imo. I wouldn't. H griffiths When we played them, they had an excellent hooker. Blotto I ve always found the hookers in swansea to be good ;-. Still sees 10 from our two western Regions, so the east better catch up! Robert Adonis Roll on Saturday 23rd August. Should be a great occasion and a bumper crowd too :o.

Its just the angle based on facts but to cheer you up there are just 3 players from the 'big four albeit the West again! Neil S Wasnt arguing the facts just the regional angle to a WP dream team Sean Got to agree, Dan Godfrey is streets ahead of Powell, that selection was just to get a token representative for Cross Keys for making two finals.

Lewis and James Howe must have been very unlucky, I know the two Swansea props were impressive in the Welsh u20 set up, but they didn't really do much in the Premiership. Should we not support what we must view as our feeder clubs? In ignoring their difficulties, could we not be accused of exactly the position the Regions have taken.? Any mileage in fostering closer links with our valley's clubs? Coaching day's, etc ;. Pat Vellian Would be nice if the club could publish this letter on the website.

No problem for me. It's from Division 1 and lower that the new structure kicks in. Stone Be interesting if they take the opportunity to expanded the Swalec Cup to include Division 1 teams, maybe a couple of rounds by themselves then and the Premiership and Championship in at a latet round eg round 3 or however it would neatly work out.

I just feel the Swalec Cup needs to be expanded from current set up, though I can see that adding even more fixtures to those treble chasing teams ; Then division 2 teams in the plate and division 3 in the bowl. As I stands win 3 games and you are in the final.

That cannot be right. Why not revert back to an open draw - but all Premiership clubs having to play away from home in the first round. I think it got pulled to due noncompetitive games, but it has to be more appetizing than playing the same old same old every year. Yes you will get the odd hammering but I would suggest without having all the figures in front of me that there have been more cases if lower league upsets than one sided hammerings in the last few years.

That's the nature of cup competitions, same as in any sport. Just my opinion. Pontyboyo The only advantage of a lower league team playing Ponty at home is the pay day they'll get from numbers of tickets sold and bar takings.

Stone What non competitive like St Peters winning against Cardiff at the Arms Park : True there have been some hammering but if the Div 1 teams play each other over a couple of rounds then the better teams are through to play the Premiership and Championship teams. Definitely doesn't feel right at present that there are so few rounds not taking anything away from anyone's achievements in getting to the later rounds. Just watched it.

Seems so long ago. Conditions terrible, skill and fitness levels questionable. Guts of St Peters beyond question. A decent crowd too. I don't think these giant killings would be so likely now, and CAP is of course plastic and if Cardiff played St Peters now there would be far fewer spectators. They were great days though, and I agree that the Cup needs expansion to give Div1 clubs a real chance.

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What if the Welsh regions aren't needed any more, and are jettisoned? After all, the Welsh regions will likely have no control of the league in which they are playing, and for me that's very risky. What happens to the Irish, Scottish and Italian sides? Whilst the Welsh regions may well be better off, with more money coming in from a strong league, to just leave our brethren in the lurch is pure selfishness, and one which will damage European rugby as a whole.

Now if this proposal was for a merger of the Premiership and Pro12, with all teams participating or most at the least , I'd be all for it. However, it's important to remember that any HC money will also be missing, so that figure could come down drastically. They would have to negotiate some sort of release with the regions or the PRL, but there'd surely be money left over. Setting up new regions as they have threatened could be an option, although who would play for them is unclear.

Alternatively they could pump money into the Principality Prem to better underpin the regions. Or they could continue to fund the regions, making sure they are as competitive as possible. Last edited: Dec 29, The WRU response will be interesting. Could they take a hard line stance and refuse to pick players from the rebel regions for international duty?

Will they create new regions under their control? Will they bar referees from officiating? I understand the Welsh regions stance in wanting to join the Premiership even though it's harmful to European rugby as a whole. Still not sure how they're going to deal with relegation? Where would the Welsh teams go if they were relegated? Da Grappla Academy Player. These mergins would make sense; geography and culture.

And money Connacht vs Treviso Largejanner Academy Player. Best we stay out of it! St George Academy Player. The "its all about the money, power and control" attitudes are remarkably similar. The Unions, of course, will play themselves, but I don't know where the Regions would come in.

St George said:. That they are not being listened to is the act of dictatorships. Last edited: Dec 30, IMO, and with the very little knowledge i have of Welsh rugby, the whole transfer from amateur to professionalism was handled badly and failed to take the original fanbase with it. To fragment the representation of the Welsh even more, domestically and in major Eurocomps, would be doomed to failure. As for the RRW joining the Aviva A Club or Rugby Body may only be affiliated to the Union within whose geographical boundaries its Home Ground is situated and shall only be entitled to play in Matches organised, recognised or sanctioned by that Union, unless specific approval has been given by both Unions.

No Club or Rugby Body shall be entitled to change the location of its Home Ground or the name by which its senior teams are known, without the prior written consent of the Union to which it is affiliated. It seriously undermines their domestic competition and it directly undermines the WRU. That's my point though, George They are inherrently unworkable, and a domestic competition involving the traditional clubs would naturally be far more attractive to the Welsh rugby community.

I admit to not being an expert though - but that does seem to be the general consensus. Again, i think we are singing from the same hymn sheet

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What motivation do these players have? Imagine a Cross Keys finish below some or all of these teams Well the WRU have pulled similar stunts before. Instead they got relegated based on the fact that they are from North Wales. To me sport should not be judged on criteria like stadiums etc but on sporting merit alone. At the end of last season out of the teams in the English Championship play-offs only Worceter could get promoted to the Premiership - so what was the point of the others turning up even?

Same in Rugly League with the franchises. In , Roy Bergiers scored that try and said "that was for you lofty" "All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us". The stadium may change, but the dream will remain the same!

Gwent looks a bit over represented and what criteria were Cross Keys included? Surely if the WRU were looking to market this as an attracrive league to follow they should have included Pontypool with all their history. You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

This page was generated in 0. John Lydon could do better. Tymor nesa Duw, plis tymor nesa. Whats happening ian. If it bleeds we can can kill it. Conditions terrible, skill and fitness levels questionable. Guts of St Peters beyond question. A decent crowd too. I don't think these giant killings would be so likely now, and CAP is of course plastic and if Cardiff played St Peters now there would be far fewer spectators.

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Welshpool RFC 9. Holyhead RFC Stone The only real difficulty in travel is from south to north Wales and vise versa. Below the championship it's regionalised anyway. Need to see more details before passing judgement, as ever bbc site doesn't offer much in terms of details. Maybe just rumours W01 Cefn Cribbwr up to Division1?

I would like to think that our Club? Basha Unbloodybelieveable!!!!!!!! But then again we shouldn't be surprised should we? After reading that article on Rebecca TV and now this. H griffiths I would like to know the Clubs view on these disclosures, and will anyone question Candyfloss, about these issues? Moffett's bound to pick it up. RhwsPontyFan Bent as a butcher's hook! He won't get away with it, someone will make an issue of it. Martin Williams Leinster A 44 Leeds 17, well done leinster, that was nearly us.

Next year it will be ponty ponty ponty. Martin Williams Shud have said that i am really proud of our boys that performance agsinst leinster was up there with the best. Enjoy the break boys and wot you have been through this season this season is a remarkable achievement, thank you. Can't help but think we should have won it this year and we would have had a lot more than at the game!

But there we are, onward we move Neil S Would have been at Sardis Even now and trying to avoid bias, I think the ref played too much added time. But there we are We did very well anyway and onward we go! Richard Evans Who would make your XV Richard Evans I was referring to player quality, not based on alleged monthly wages!! Showboat13 Probably deserves it. He carries them. Quality player. Doris Fair play he didn't stop trying when Cross Keys played us both times recently.

I managed to get to see far more games this season than I have in years, and I am going to get a season ticket again next year as it's worth it again for me now all those years of bloody weekend shifts finally behind me! We really struggled to see many players on the radar who would oust a Ponty player. I do not say that in a big headed myopic way, but rather in a worrying trend way. Let's hope some of the teams can up the ante next season just not too much mind! Pontyboyo It seems as though Moffett has the backing he needs.

Including backing from the 4 regions. I don't like the man but hopefully he will shake up the WRU a little. Martyn Lewis2 If you have not read this you should? Some very interesting points!!! Its just more of the same. The regions have backed him just to get at the WRU.

Martyn Lewis2 Well worth looking at his website. Richard Evans Neil, he sees the WP as a purely development league. Great to see the London Welsh pre season game arranged Justin back in Ponty I really hope they can beat Bristol and be in the Premiership then.

Look forward to it COTP. Stone Yeah its a great fixture. Be great if we could line up a Cornish Pirates fixture as well whilst they are in South Wales but looking at theirs and our fixtures it would probably have to be mid week. We have Wayne, Crocker, Jake and Jordan who can play 6. Anyone heard this rumour though? If he's Wales 7's he'll be away exactly the same time as Shellard so doesn't seem a great deal of point in him being placed with us?

Sean Chief said he signed for the Blues on Sunday but said it was a dual contract with Wales 7s. What a wonderful signing he is for them and he is looking forward to working with him And ricko'shea comment about no number on James Howes shirt? Oh there another Ponty player with no number, when Belcher changed his shirt. Its a dual contract with welsh 7s and blues. Prince Dafydd I think Groves is a decent player - but unless some our current back rowers decide to leave, I cannot see where he would fit in.

The action is being taken by Neath Port Talbot Council which says it has been granted a liability order over the long-standing debt. The council said it regretted having to take the action. Stone Don't think it was meant with malice, although maybe misjudged. It's sad to see that grounds in the WP struggle to get people in to the games.

Richard Evans Funnily enough, crowd sizes in the WP were mentioned at a rugby get together at St David's Hall that I attended, the comment came from Non Evans, that at most grounds attendances have been falling, and it is an issue for the WP as a whole, as I say, I think Welsh rugby in general benefits from a vibrant WP.

I just find it sad to see the predicament Neath are in, and there are some really good people down there, just like there are at all WP clubs. Furthermore, it wasn't that long ago Ponty found themselves staring down the abyss.. I'm sure Neath are going to resolve the issue, and will build from it. Be a travesty if we lost them due to off the field matters.

Robert Rees is an Ebbw Vale fan. Pontydragon Agree, Rich. Met a bunch of the Neath fans at the Tag a few years back. Good folks, they are. I have to admit, I give Neath a lot of respect. Proud history like ours. Hope things get straightened out for them. Stone Sorry should say but I could pretend I meant from each team Help them out. Travesty if that happens. Sam Sad for Neath. Hope the WRU don't let them go to the wall just to bring Swansea back.

It wouldn't surprise me though. I hope they maintain their status in the Premiership but years of living way beyond their means has caught up with them last few seasons. I hope they maintain their status in the Prem but all those years of them living way beyond their means has caught up with them. Exactly the opposite, they offered to kindly demote the club to the lower tiers if we did not honour a debt linked to the old company. Neath have been saved by the WRU before in the old professional days.

Ponty fan in Aber As said above Neath lived way beyond their means for too long in the semi pro era. Wouldn't like to see Neath go to the wall because they offer far more to the Premiership than some clubs. I'm just thankful we have a board of directors who keep the club financially stable. Snoop If there was a way of donating some money to help out Neath I would't think twice about helping. I remember a time when hundreds would turn up to watch them train mid week.

I'd love to see Neath live on. Neil S Neath were embedded in regional rugby and chose another avenue due to political wrangles in the region. They showed ambition in the semi pro era but since it has come to light that this is fruitless as the system will not allow you to go anywhere.

If you show ambition in an unsustainable way when you can not improve your level due to a glass ceiling then the only outcome is financial issues unless you have a backer prepared to pick up the tab. Hopefully Neath will come to an agreement with the council and can start rebuilding on local talent. Hoppy They think it's all over It is now. Should have been One more game Great finale to a rollercoaster season. Emotions all over the place at the end of the game. Never giving Keys time on the ball, strong in the tackle and contact area.

With a great 34 points Y Bont got a magnificent total. Strides could only get 16 points on the last game. But it was enough… phew I hear him cry… points on top of the table. So congratulations and welcome to winners row Strides. I attach not only the results and final league table, but for interest Bert I attach a consolidation table of the results with top scores, numbers highlighted.

Thanks Hoppy for all your great work with this competition. I know what it takes! Congrats to Strides for just getting there! What an amazing Season of ups and downs, let's chill a bit and no doubt have some comings and goings, and roll on next Season! Just have to say the noise levels on Sunday evening were great too. Neal Hammond Yes. Thanks Hoppy.

Very enjoyable again. Congratulations to Strides. Pontydragon Eggcellent job, Hoppy! Lots of fun, as usual. Thanks for another great season. And congrats to Strides! Well done! I seem to remember both sides not quite singing that tune a few months ago?

Hopefully, they will get so much money and sponsorship income that they can buy the best players from around the world, learn to stand on their own two feet and bugger off to the Aviva where they belong - the we finally can have our game back unfortunately the welsh team will suffer a little during this transitional period but its a price worth paying And with all this cash, they have now just engaged with another 'paymaster' who will dictate to them - perhaps all the cash they begged out of the wru can be channelled into the club system - ha ha.

Neal Hammond Personally, I'd be happy to see them go with their eternal whinging. Daiponty1 as Mark Davies has been doing today - please let them gooooooo. Can the club confirm? Daiponty1 Thats what I heard also - so looks like we are playing Kardifff. Sam Complete joke again, however this game is no different to the play-off final. All your hard work can be undone by a fluke result. However if we play like yesterday we will have no problem!

Llandovery v Llanelli play Carmarthen Quins away. If they couldn't beat us with the team they had and the game plan they employed this year - don't give them much of a chance next year. Just relieved to hear that it will be clubs again in The BIC next year :o. If a 'region' is effective at developing talent they are penalised by only having 1 team in the competition. The West have 3 teams with over 13 wins in the season, whereas Bridgend, Aberavon and Neath could not beat 7.

How is this ruling benefitting Welsh rugby? In order to qualify automatically as the best regional club, there should be minimum league position met eg. The highest club in a region should qualify automatically providing they finish in the top 4. If there is no club from a region in the top 4 then the place should go to the highest non qualifying club from another region. Strong regions then get 2 or 3 places. Sam Official Paul? I haven't read anything official or on any forums.

The Pudding Supposedly on a two year deal. A quality player and still as fit as a fiddle, so it has to be good business for the club. He will compliment Tubs perfectly. Prince Dafydd Not sure about that move myself. A great player in his prime - but those days are a long way behind him. No doubt Sid will make me eat my words!

The Pudding Can't agree that those days are long behind him. Obviously he is not at his peak, but he has racked up 20 appearances for the Dragons this season, captaining them on occasion. He's still got plenty to offer us. We have a relatively inexperienced front five, when you think of Howe, Belcher, Sienawski Phillips etc. As for Jordan, who has contributed enormously this season, I think he will be delighted to have a crack at his preferred position of blindside. Not sure if this is true, but again like every other season the gossip mill goes into over drive as soon as the season ends!

Neal Hammond They are possibly confusing him with Owen Williams, who has also served us well, like the other announced departures. Good luck next year except when you come up against the Pont of course Such a shame that they can win it again and again and have nowhere to go.

The English and French have promotion. Isn't that what drives all the teams in all the leagues? What about the potential EGM. Where4 do we stand? Play offs to give the professionals a chance. Their resources should guarantee a shoe-in. What about Ponty spirit? That's something that might be lacking in the so called regional teams. Why not?? I've seen the club go from amateur to professional and now to semi-pro over the last 30 years and even the "glory days" had their drawbacks.

For a start you never got the sheer numbers of new talented players coming through that you do now and I would argue that the closeness of the team and supporters is currently the best it has ever been. What sticks in my craw is the arrogance of the current regions and the failure by the WRU and Welsh press to market the premiership.

If the regions were stripped of their former club associations and the premiership got more headlines then I wouldn't be too bothered. Yes, at the moment we have limited competition in the premiership, but handled properly the premiership could raise its overall standard because the regions can't nick everyone. So for the moment I'm just enjoying this seasons achievements though the WRU are financially , commercially and in every other respect incompetent and the current regions are a pain in the bum.

If you look at the playing budget of Toulon - its 30 million euro's, Castre mid table is about 19 million euro - there is no way that we can match that type of money - this is where the regions have been duped - they believe they are getting more money via BT sport sponsorship etc, when in reality the extra money will end up being spent on higher wages for the same mediocre players - its called market forces - so any player who is international class, will still be offered a better pay packet across the bridge in England or France, hence they won't be able to compete, hence they won't win anything and hence the won't win no prize monies and the final hence, they will go back to the wru with a bigger begging bowl - and the merrygo round of the last 2 years will start all over agin - during this time I will be happy to have watch Pont win a historic league and cup quadruple.

Doesn't bode well if they are not showing the final. Exceptional performance yesterday. Totally blew them away. Crowd were in fine voice. Cannot wait to watch the game back. I guess that is it then folks for another season. Nothing ever stands still with the mighty Pont. Hopefully we have already lined up some good pre-season games no Newbury point one sided drubbings please!

Sam Funny enough I had a conversation in work with a Dragons fan today. He asked me '' Are you not bored yet? After all the first 8 years or so after regionalism were quite painful at times, and I am too young to remember the great seasons. Ponty's style of play is exciting to watch and great value for money. He doesn't know if he is Newport, Dragon or Gwent.

His team has no heart, passion or history, it is completely plastic and soulless. He asked me if I wished we could play Rabo League? Yeh maybe 10 years ago. Realistically now we would lose all our best players to France, and constantly be rebuilding at the bottom of the Rabo rather than the top of the premiership. We would be constantly fighting debts and be a season away from folding.

Who knows, maybe one day we will find a benefactor, which could enable us to push higher. But I would rather us build sustainably through a pyramid like England, than chase a place in the plastic Rabo league. I cannot but admire the Ponty spirit. Sod the fancy dans. Being a Ponty fan is just that. Not just a Ponty fan when things go well but at all times. I have supported the Club for many years even when there seemed to be one man and his dog. I was that man! To see the Club achieve what it has since in particular but not forgetting some great stuff in the 70s too brings huge pleasure.

The youngsters mixing on the field with the players after the game on Sunday, kicking balls around and enjoying themselves was priceless, and long may it continue in Pontyland, which is where I am proud to be from - the land of the Dinosaurs! Messages have been kept for posterity. Search forum:. Daiponty1 Exactly - if they are so confident that they can survive in their own right, as independent entities then let them carry on - but they won't as they know they will be bankrupt by xmas on Daiponty1 I was going to scribe for the umpteenth time what needs to be done - but like the rest of the people who have yet to walk away from welsh rugby - I just can't be bothered such is the toxic environment - they are so full of their own self importance that they cannot see they have killed the game in Wales - sad but so very true on COTP on Daiponty1 As I said - its a toxic environment that no amount of money can offset on Would be nice to know what group we could potentionally be in, cheers on Stone Surely that has to be agreed by both teams?

Kevin Fitzgerald Tough group, nice trip to Bristol though on Neal Hammond Should get the boys' juices running. Sean He is Academy coach, so maybe the role would clash with any potential opportunities to train and play with Llanelli RFC on Other teams will strengthen and look to knock us off our perch and we must aim to be better than last year COTP on 5.

COTP on 1. Rant over for now COTP on Fingers crossed he stays match fit and gets his chance to make his mark in the Premiership on Kind Regards Sharon Clinch on Neal Hammond Totally agree. Ponty Dog Season Promo - Snoop Woop Woop. Good news. Really good! Pontyboyo Joel has signed for us. WRU will win over hamdsomely and say how it vindicates them on Neil S They could accomodate if they really wanted too on A disgrace did not play more for Wales, on Neal Hammond One of our greats, and still with us.

Neil S Class act. Diolch yn fawr iawn COTP on Martyn Lewis2 Agreed! Well done Gareth!

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